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Well, thanks Dave..... but really it's been as easy as making phone calls. Pretty much everyone I've talked to about putting something on the table for us already knows about LTW and AmericnaSnipers.org, and is anxious to help.

One thing I've noticed across the board by the way..... not a single one has said something like, "well, sure, we could send something, but I need to check with the boss and give him some idea of how much exposure we'll get in return...." .

No one has said anything close to that. The universal answer has contained the phrases, "love to help", "good cause", "what else can we do", and even "thanks for letting us help".

It's actually been a very pleasant experience, calling around the industry, soliciting help on 4TC1s. Each contributor will be getting an official "thank you" card from LTW.


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I can only imagine the time and effort Ned is has put into this and other projects. If we all really knew what was involved, we would be shocked. I have been involved in a few projects similar in the past and boy does it take patience and determination. Everyone in the gun industry is always willing to give and help out. God bless'em. Bringing it all together and making it work is the REAL trick.

A great BIG thanks to you Ned. We need more people in the world like you. :D It pleases me greatly to see an industry step up and really get involved. Really doing positive things that benefit others. Thank you to everyone else in the shooting industry that are giving products and services to this or any other beneficial project.

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This is definately going well, and I am not the least bit surprised at the number and caliber of people and companies that have stepped up to the plat (AGAIN) for a great cause............somebody here remind me, when was the last time we heard about a Handgun Control Inc. raffle for a good cause.....oh, that's right...those pompous, miopic, airbags wouldn't lift a finger to help someone else, would they!! :evil:

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Nothing has been said yet about the finish on this gun. Seems like a desert tan or maybe flat dark earth is indicated, or at least a matte black. It has to conform to the hard use / minimum maintenance / max durability theme.

Five years ago I was not terribly keen on the spray and bake finishes. I have a little more experience with them now and use and recommend them more that I used to, in certain circumstances. But I want something for this project that comes as close as possible to a "forever" finish, so as to conform to the above and also to maximize the long-term collector appeal of this package.

Hard chrome would be a good choice in several categories, but color would not be one. Hard chrome would give good corrosion resistance, and add a lot of life to the surfaces and areas subject to wear from the outside or from parts running one against the other. The hardness and low coefficient of friction on two chromed parts running together wouldn't hurt reliability. I mean, reliability on this gun is going to be a given but going into an extreme theoretical scenario of weeks in the field, dust, sand, mud, and who-knows-what, a little smooth running won't hurt "none".

How to get the color back to spec then? I have not tried it, but I'm guessing that since hard chrome is something of a non-stick surface (even FDA approved), that a spray and bake would not stick well to it long-term, at least not good enough for an heirloom grade project such as this.

My experience with Tungsten DLC is limited, but I have found it to be an impressive finish. It is actually harder than chrome, which is already off the Rockwell "C" scale, it can be applied over chrome, and it's.... black. I've had all of one gun done in DLC ("Diamond-Like-Carbon"), and it came out very nice (had it at SHOT last year). Getting it done was not without a few hitches but I've had that with just about every refinisher I've dealt with. The important thing was that the source, Ion Bond, was communicative and stand-up about it, and the end result was great.

Now, last year at SHOT, one of my display guns was a .50 GI that was a collaboration between myself and the guys at GI. After I did my part (Conamyds and a magwell), they finished it up and had it Metalloyed. This was one of the nicest chrome jobs I had ever seen, so, after consulting a bit with Chris Peters of Metalloy, he has kindly volunteered to provide his finish for 4TC1s, after which it will get the Tungsten DLC finish.


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Ned - Talk to Ryan at IonBond. Below is a clip from some info he sent me a few weeks ago. Maybe this will give you the "forever" finish in a tactically correct color.

"We also have a zirconium coating in colors. Those colors are Desert tan and Flat Dark Earth. The F.D.E. is more of an olive drab tone. Hardness on this coating is 60 to 70 rockwell C and thickness is right at 3 microns. This coating has not yet been developed for application on to aluminum, but is in process."

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Thanks a lot, John, that kinda confirms my initial impression of Ryan, that he possesses that most important, confidence-inspiring quality that I need to see in a person who's going to have the power of life or death over a custom gun that's been doted-on: he knows how to communicate.


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Well, Stan, Chuck and Don having processed 4TC1s through their respective shops so expediently, I am trying to speed things along here too.... the grip safety (Wilson) is fitted. I have fitted a second trigger, so between the medium and short ones the new owner should be covered; same with the thumb safeties, one ambi and one not (80% fitted at this time).

The two original magazine and the three Tripp 7-rounders provided by Tripp Research, I have TIG'd the floor plates on and trimmed the welds off. This is just a knock-proofing measure.

Last night I got the Dawson Rail on. I never felt that three 6-32 screws was the best possible mounting for these, as 32 threads per inch is pretty coarse when a screw is that small. In my toolmaking days, I never used 6-32 since that is about the easiest tap to break and the screws are not as strong for their size as, say, a 5-40 or 8-32. On guns, finer threads are better, especially in a this area like the dust cover.... in the past I've screwed and silver-brazed these rails on, which is a good solution but a lot of work. What I've been doing most recently, and what I've done on 4TC1s, is to go from 6-32's to 8-36's (only because I could not find 8-40's). I get them good and tight, leaving them protruding into the inside of the dust cover, then I peen the end of the screw over before trimming it off. Very strong and the screws "ain't going nowhere". The rail was rocking a little bit on the dustcover surface and I did not want to stress anything when I torqued it down so I spotted it in with Prussian blue.

Starting on sights today. I will install the rear and use the original front for initial test firing, so that I know just where the new front sight needs to be. That way I don't get any surprises like having to live with a front sight that is too high or too low.

The plunger tube has been TIG'd in place. It also "ain't going nowhere", at least not without the rest of the gun :lol:

Chuck was kind enough to Golfball a Nowlin mag release for me, to match his front and backstrap work. I usually use the Nowlin part here because it's good quality and comes with the spring and catch lock, although they use a very weak spring and I always replace it with a Colt or Wilson part. They are slightly extended which makes them good for applying a different pattern as in this case.

Oh yeah-- I have also textured the back of the slide and three extractors, and the extractors are numbered and serial-matched to the pistol.

And-- SureFire has confirmed that the package now includes an X200 light!
http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/co_ ... /sesent/00


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Mr. Christiansen, Great article in the new SWAT.

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Glad to hear it's out! People may not realize it but SWAT is a big supporter of Americansnipers.org and a fan of LTW!


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OK, I'm ready to start dribbling out some pics.
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Ned thats a nice starting work. nice pic...

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Until this year at the Single Stack Classic in Barry, Illinois, I had never met Ned Christiansen. He was another name on a major match scoresheet. Usually, his name came before mine. So after I got my butt kicked a couple of times, I did some internet surfing. I found his website, and eventually, found this forum.

I had lunch with Ned and Stan Chen this year at the Single Stack Classic. They both spent a great deal of time answering my questions about some trigger work I had been having trouble with. I really appreciate them taking the time to help me out! They are both good guys, and I admire the work that they and everyone else are doing here.

I'm going to support this project. However, I don't deserve the gun or anything else that comes with it. If I win the raffle, I'm going to give the gun and accessories to my freiend, Darren Myers. He just recently returned from Iraq after a lengthy deployment.


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I remember that conversation well, CSE.

We sure appreciate your sentiments regarding the project and it would be oh-so-great to see it go to a vet!


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I can't think of a person more deserving of this pistol than my buddy Darren. He joined the Army in '94. When he returned from boot camp, I watched a video the Army put together- he was in it. The video showed him and several guys running (and I mean running) out of the 'simulated' gas chamber. I have never seen snot stretch from someone's nostril to the ground. It looked miserable. Shortly thereafter, he joined Special Forces and entered their Medic Training Program.

Darren has seen more desert than most of us put together. He's been to Kuwait twice, and he spent twelve months in Iraq in charge of a Close Quarters Combat Unit. Right before he left for Iraq, he called me. I remember that call like it was yesterday.....I'm thankful he made it home o.k. In fact, only one member of his unit was hurt during their entire tour.

I could go on for hours about my friend. He was adopted and grew up an only child. Ever since I've known him, he's always wanted a family of his own. Before he left for Iraq, I learned that his wife, Tara, was pregnant. Tragically, she miscarried. While he was in harms way, I spent everyday with my kids safely at home.

I feel very strongly that this gun needs to go to an active soldier or veteran. I agree with Ned, it would be really nice for this gun to end up in the hands of someone that deserves it!!


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Well...... I had a class last week and had a chance to do some after-class test firing with 4TC1s..... function is perfect and accuracy is great. Still lots to do, but it's getting close.

And a couple of other companies have jumped in. I asked Trijicon if they would contribute the installation of tritium lamps to the sights and of course they said yes..... and my friend Steve Camp of SafeDirection called and offered one of his gun cases. These are soft cases that are armored so a person has a safe place to direct the muzzle while loading and unloading. I've checked these out and they're very well made and a great idea. Thanks Steve!

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I just read the article in SWAT and yeah, I guess it's OK :D

SWAT Magazine has thrown in a year's subscription to the winner. I just rediscoverd this magazine 3-4 years ago. Nowadays it is a VERY worthwhile subscription to have for somebody who's into the serious side of shooting, training, and gear.

An update list of the "help" on LTW #4:

http://www.dakotaammo.net/products/corbon/dpx.htm
http://www.vzgrips.com
http://www.trippresearch.com
http://www.nossargunleather.com
http://www.centermassinc.com
http://www.safariland.com/index2.asp
http://www.egw-guns.com/
http://www.black-hills.com
http://www.starlightcases.com
http://www.wilsoncombat.com
http://www.nossargunleather.com
http://www.barsto.com
http://www.striketactical.com
http://www.brownells.com
http://www.chrisreeve.com/greenberet.htm
http://www.leupold.com/tactical/products/binoculars/
http://www.fnhusa.com/
http://www.dawsonprecision.com
http://www.nra.org/
http://www.uspsa.org/
http://idpa.com/
http://www.safedirection.com/
http://www.trijicon.com
http://swatmag.com/


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i'm continually awe struck by the selflessness and class of the smiths, individuals and companies, that contribute to the LTW projects-cam


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Ned,

Anything I can ever do, just let me know.


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Thanks K. You've done it several times over already but indeed I will let you know!


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Ned Christiansen wrote:
SWAT Magazine has thrown in a year's subscription to the winner. I just rediscoverd this magazine 3-4 years ago. Nowadays it is a VERY worthwhile subscription to have for somebody who's into the serious side of shooting, training, and gear.


Same here.
I never thought I'd care a thing about S.W.A.T. magazine, but was wrong.
I had heard it had changed since the '80s when it was more like another "New Breed" or "Eagle", but I still skipped over it at the newstand for months without even looking.
I figured: "S.W.A.T.? I don't kick in doors, and don't fantasize about doing it (well, not much), so what would I get from it?"
I had it all wrong. I finally looked, and saw an article by someone I actually knew (Ken Campbell) and bought it for that.
Sure enough, it's not the old SWAT from 1980.
I found that I read almost everything in it, and actually learned from each- A far cry from all those magazines I've bought for just one article.
I've been a subscriber for a few years now and have dropped most others. I think I'd get my money's worth just by reading Louis Awerbuck's column each month.

End of commercial. Sorry, just trying to support those who support LTW.


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That's it exactly. It was a bit of a turnoff to me too, in the earlier years. Not sure when the ownership change was but it's a class act now. The magazine content is top notch and the guys running it are good people. They had an offer in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina where subscription dollars for a certain period went to relief efforts.


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Brian Sain of AmericanSnipers.org ran into professional shooter Matt Burkett recently at an industry trade show. Matt has been a major player for well over a decade and a half (going by memory) in the stratosphere of competition shooting, and like many shooters at his level has shared some of his secrets and techniques via DVD and training. He has quite an array of training DVDs and has contributed one of each, plus a day of private training, to our package here.

I just visited his site and it's cool! A lot of stuff going on with Matt and one thing in particular that I think a lot of you will enjoy is that he held a training session with the guys from American Chopper-- it's all on the site. Check it out:
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Hey guys a thread this long is really lacking in pictures of the #4 gun....come on Ned make with the pics! :lol:

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I know-- I'll get on the ball soon.


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Can anyone verify that the ticket sale counter on the sales website is accurate?

I just looked and it shows that only 701 tickets have been sold for this spectacular LTW Set. If that is true, we need to work a lot harder at getting the word out for this item. I realize its still pretty early, but still - the value of this offering is unheard of and this volume of sales is - at least to me - disappointing.

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No need for disappointment. The ticket counter has to manually updated and I've talked to the guys about getting that done. We are well over 701 but I don't know the actual number. Hopefully we can get that updated soon.

It's our beneficiaries who are administering the raffle of course and I can't come down too hard on them for getting behind on pistolraffle.com site maintenance-- they are all full-time coppers and pretty much their every off-duty moment goes into AmericanSnipers.org. Besides the every day tasks such as correspondence, receiving and sending equipment, these guys are frequenting the industry trade show circuit as well as law enforcement expos.

This is the same reason a few of you have not promptly received your mailed-out confirmations..... but everybody does get them.

Meanwhile, I am, honestly, going to be posting some pics pretty soon-- I just sent the slide out to have the LTW logo etched into it, then it's going to have a few things discreetly CNC engraved into it that should enhance it on a couple levels. The only visible engraving will be
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Ned

I'm glad to hear that ticket sales are above the 701 number. My disapointment was not with the folks running the charity or the site, but with the purported lack of overall sales.

Are we going to be lucky enough to have one of the pistol magazines pick up the story this year like they have the last few years? That seemed, at least to me, to stimulate ticket sales.

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It was in SWAT and it has been hinted that it will appear elsewhere.....


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Did I neglect to mention that the finish is going to be Tungsten DLC over Metalloy? That ought to hold up a while..... :lol:

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Well, it's official...

As of this moment, more words have been written about #4 than about Anna Nicole Smith.

At least we got to see pictures of one of them :P

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