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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:04 pm 
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ok guys. i will be purchasing a remington 870 pmax sometime this month.

http://www.remingtonle.com/shotguns/870pmax.htm

well, after reading all of the features ect. of the vang comp. i was thinking of getting it done. especially with 00' in an 18" barrel. i heard the comps work "to good". :)

i was planning on getting the ports, and the backboring/tuning.
$240 using my barrel.

my knowledge about the system is kind of limited. so any info would be greatly appreciated...

thanks.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:47 am 
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I have Hans Vang's ported VangComp in my Mossberg 590 and feel it works extremely well. Some people don't like the ports. I haven't found any disadvantage. Hans says they actually reduce visible muzzle flash and in my experience they don't noticeably increase muzzle blast. The only thing is you have to keep body parts away from the ports.

Hans' website is http://www.vangcomp.com -- go there for more information.

I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the vangcomp system with or without the ports.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:23 am 
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I picked up a VCS 870 Police Magnum from Hans not too long ago.

Hans is a straight shooter. He stands by his work and his products. Great guy to chat with over the phone.

Re: Ports...Some don't like the ports (most popular reason: assumed increased muzzle flash). Mine has the complete system (backboring + ports). Hans says that the porting actually reduces muzzle flash.

With the blast from a 12 GA, I think worst case it's not discernable; best case it probably minimizes it. I'd think this varies from load to load.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:37 pm 
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ive been thinking on and off about the ports, but since its an 18" gun i fig. it wont be "to close" to my face to get burned. now it it was a 14" entry gun i might start to think a little bit harder about the ports.....


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:50 pm 
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Good point...definitely would reconsider porting on NFA barrels depending on the barrel length. 14" would be my limit. Anything shorter than that would go without porting. Same concern: hot gases exiting from the ports.

This is why porting on defensive pistols (while reducing muzzle flip) can become a liability to the shooter, if he/she fires the pistol with the muzzle close to the body.

A shotgun with an 18.5" barrel is not too short, not too long. The perfect length for tactical/defensive, IMHO.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:11 am 
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yeah, i personally think/have witnessed ports on a defensive pistol are a big no,no.. lol :)

for example, if you had to shoot from the hip, or with a 2hand grip tucked in by your chest your screwed.... lol


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I recently took a combcat shotgun offered by one of the local ranges. My benelli was running just fine, but I wanted to try something different. I used the instructors shotgun when we started working on pivots. 13" barrel--full VC treatment w/ ports, shorter stock. Shot about 50 rounds of 00 buck through it--doesn't make me an expert, and after the first couple of shots I forgot the gun was ported. I'll be buying a VC gun shortly and it will have the ports. With the new federal 00 with flight control wad we were holding nice patterns out to 35 yards with the 13" gun. My m1S90 18" was getting out to around 30 yards. hope this helps


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:43 am 
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cool.... yeah, i think its a good investment.


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I have an 870 18" that was Vanged but not ported and groups are roughly 2/3 the size of before the work.


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Have a 590A1 with the full bore/port job. It is one slick machine. Added a Knox stock which really takes the perceived recoil down. I thought it was kinda cheesy but the Knox stock works.

Here's the proof of the pudding: My first time out with it, using a 9 pellet 00 buck shell - fired at the head of an IDPA target at 27 yards. 7 of the 9 pellets struck on the head with the remaining two just off the head below.

Wow...... :shock:


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:14 pm 
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I have a FN SLP that I love. I thought about having Hahns back-bore the barrel, but instead I shoot federal control wad buck and it shoots just as tight as my buddies VC 870. Hand size groups at 25 yards. Head shots all the way out to 35 yards. Amazing stuff and way less expensive than the alternative.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:37 pm 
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im currently again thinking about getting one again.....


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:56 pm 
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Hans is lovely to deal with...the theory about the porting reducing the muzzle flash is that it supposedly breaks it up and disperses it so that its not leaving the bright searing hotspot on your retina of an unported shotgun blast in the dark and instead is a larger more dilluted flash signature which does not affect your night vision as bad and for as long as unported. Does it work...probably, but I had to sell my FN-TPS (which is Hans's Vang Comp system just ripped off from him) before I could test it. The theory is sound on the muzzle flash and the recoil reduction is noticeable and they do pattern better.

I have read and do not know first hand, but read that the ports reduce knock down power on poppers at certain distances when compared to non-ported.

I will be having Hans do an 870 pm for me in the next year. I have to get the 1911 worked out first 8)

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:03 pm 
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im planning on getting one done. 870p. as far as the poppers. im not expecting it to go beyond 25yrds. so i should be good.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:21 pm 
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Can't go wrong with a Vang Comped 870pm I'm workin' on getting my fourth one soon


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:28 pm 
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I own a few custom 870's fighting guns and the best one I own or have even ever shot
is my 870 which I was lucky enough to get while YostBonitz were together. It is the smoothest
gun out there hands down and runs like a rabbid pit bull!

If you are going to shoot in the dark at all skip the ports.........

VC guns are GREAT but having shot in the dark with and without ports I passed on
the VC system

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:06 am 
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Ordered one from Hans and his team at the 2008 Shot Show. Fantastic gun and Hans is a great guy to deal with. I have 18 1/2" ported barrel with Federal 00 buck. Recoil and flash appear to not be a problem. Go for one of his guns and you will not be sorry. Rich


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:02 pm 
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In a recent class we had several makes of shotguns including a number that were vang comped.

Must say that the new federal Flite Control wad with 00 Buck had just about every shotgun in the class shooting patterns as tight or tighter than the vang comped gun.

Not trying to say don't do it, just mentioning that there are much cheaper options now...


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:05 pm 
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While I didn't do the Vang back bore or porting treatment on my 870 Police , I did order from him and install his sight system, stainless mag follower, big head safety, mag tube extension and a Mesa side saddle and am quite happy with this rig.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:19 am 
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C.Rod,

Hans is a straight shooter and he can do wonders to a remi. I would stay away from his sling there are much better on the market. The porting is excellent.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:18 pm 
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I used a Vang comp'd 870 at Blackwater a few years ago. This one was actually one that belonged to Blackwater; very plain-jane looking model with a gold bead sight, and a std. length mag, and plain wood stocks. I should have asked them if they would sell me that gun as it out performed all of the other 870's Wilsons, Benelli's in the class. I was center-punching nice tight groups at center mass at 15and 20yds while the rest of the class had flyers all over the place. When you see an actual vang-comp in comparison to a std. 870 you will be sold. The system really works.


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I have one of his 870 shotguns and I really like the ports on it.


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