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 Post subject: Ball cuts on 1911's
PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:31 pm 
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....so I'm talking to Patrick Sweeney the other day and he says something along the lines of, "Original 1911's had ball cuts."

I said, ah, I don't think so Pat. The other guy present, absolutely no slouch on the subject, agreed with me. We're all sitting there flipping through gun mags, various ones.

I run across several pics of 1911's, not A1's.

Ball cuts, or nearly so. Not the larger-radius, long-runout cuts most guns have.

Collector dudes, what say you? My first thought was, I should have known better than to dice with Sweeney on a topic like this. But I am SURE that is the first time I've seen this..... any knowledge on the subject?


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Ned,

Indeed, they did have "ball" cuts. Browning's personal 1910?, IIRC, from G&A's Book of the 1911, had those cuts. The Early 1911s, and not the A1s, did as well. Colt switched the the current radius for ease/cost of tooling.

Ball cuts, like many of the features we now ask for from custom gunsmiths, are an old is new way of returning to the past. A good one to ask would probably be Novak, as I seem to recall him being the owner of many guns used in the G&A book.

Personally, I like the ball cut look MUCH more than the standard radius, even though the original ball cuts didn't go back even with the edge of the dust cover like many custom jobs do now.

Sorry... I'm not a collector, but I do hope it helps.

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 Post subject: Ball cuts ?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:53 am 
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Wayne Novak, a collector of 1911's along with BHP's, told me that Springfield Armory guns (the originals) had them. I think he has a picture or two of an old one on his website under his collection.


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 Post subject: Ball cuts
PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:08 am 
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Here is a Colt and a Springfield from the mid-1910's. N.R.A. life members could buy military pistols from Springfield Armory. They were stamped N.R.A. to show that they had been legally purchased, not stolen from the government. The slide radius was lengthened in 1918 when a number of production changes were implemented to increase throughput.

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Sweeney wins. Again. Not gonna say I hate it when that happens though, I'm pretty used to it. When I/we do ball cuts, we use 1/2"-ish ball cutters. Those guns in the pics look like a larger radius-- but a ball cut still.


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Some more photos right here on LTW:

http://www.louderthanwords.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5852


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I like the ball cuts on the top Colt pistol, it has a slightly longer radius than the bottom Springfield pistol. It looks more graceful - I guess I have
my own idea about how the 'lines should flow'. I would love to see that type on a custom, and kept forward of the dust cover in this manner too. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Ball cuts on 1911's
PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:08 pm 
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Personally, I like ball cuts to be flush with the frame.

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