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I was curious what people preferred for CCW type mag holders.

Do you prefer them vertical or angled for concealability and or ease of draw?

And I might as well go ahead and ask if you carry your mags IWB or OWB?

I currently carry a P35 IWB (Sparks VM II) and like it there, but I can't stand my spare mag IWB and am going to order a OWB mag carrier and still carry my pistol IWB. My Sparks IWB mag carrier besides being uncomfortable also twists up out of my britches which is obviously annoying.

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45Fundi, I would agree that IWB mag carry is uncomfortable. Also, it is not any more difficult to conceal an OWB mag carrier than one that is IWB.

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Most of my CCW mag holders are vertical. I have one by Mark Garrity that's angled a bit forward and I find that it doesn't print as much when I bend over.

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For drawing a mag quickly, it is actually faster if one, or both mags are angled backwards. It removes the need to cock the wrist as much. You only need to bend the elbow. Less range of motion = quicker mag changes. That's why our double pouches have the mags at opposing angles.

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That makes sense. I have a co-worker who carries his mags like that. He's been trying to convince me that it's faster with them towards the rear, but I am stubborn and like to argue. Josh, do you make a single mag carrier with a rear rake? I've seen the doubles with the rear mag angled backwards, but never a single.

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A little loose or self aligning - cf Safariland's Idaho or other adjustable some for informal carry.

I don't, but I can if you want one.

Josh

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45Fundi,
I just address this on another forum - As Josh stated OWB mag carry isn't much less concealable than IWB since there's probably less than 1/2 inch of mag-pouch below the belt line. An IWB mag-pouch is uncomfortable for two reasons. First off, with an IWB holster the belt pressure is dispersed over the entire width of the pistol and holster; with an IWB mag-pouch the belt pressure is concentrated over that 1 inch of mag-width pressing it into your side. Secondly, with an IWB holster there is quite a bit of leather and steel below the belt-line. In order to allow adequate grip on the mag worn IWB, the base of the mag has to be about even with the lower edge of the belt. This causes the belt to push the base of the mag into you, and can cause the tumbling-over/shifting effect you described.

As to cant, my belt-slide single magazine pouch designed to be worn at 9 o'clock for right-handed shooter, and is angled so that the mag is at a forward angle when standing and is vertical when seated. If you look at the belt line of someone seated you will see that the belt is not horizontal as it is when they are standing, but angles down and back. A vertical mag-pouch worn on the side will angle back when seated and print. So I designedmine to angle forward so that is is vertical when one sits and still conceals without sticking out the back. It was designed that way for optimal concealment. I will agree that a rear angled pouch will facilitate a smoother, slightly quicker draw, but I would recommend wearing it weak-side appendix carry to avoid printing.

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I also find IWB mag pouches uncomfortable. I always carry the gun IWB, and like it just fine. I've tried it with HiPower mags and with thinner 1911 mags and just can't do it.

I had been using vertical mag carriers, but tried a forward angled mag carrier a year or so ago because I got it for a good deal.
I liked it. It's a Horseshoe Leather carrier, with a slight forward angle- maybe 10 degrees.
I carry my mags a little farther to the rear than most people, which is probably why the forward angle works for me. So keep that in mind here.

I am worried most about concealment and comfort. I do not carry a spare mag now b/c it is miserable. I plan on getting OWB and carrying 1 for Hi-Power and 2 for my Combat Commander (in 2 years when John Harrison gets to it, I'm counting the days!) until then its Hi-Power OWB and I'm trying to find out theories of carry.

Everyone has been very helpful and as always I have learned much here at LTW. I hope anyone with other reasons will continue to put there most valuable 2 cents in!

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I just realized I neglected to ask if anyone uses HORIZONTAL mag holders or different combinations of the 3 choices: verticle, angled or horizontal any opinions on those??

I seem to recall that some people carry 2 OWB mag holders and have one Verticle and one Horizontal?

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If I carry two mags, they're in the same carrier oriented the same way. I don't like the idea of mags at very different angles. I realize that double mag pouches like Garrity's put them at slightly different angles, but I've used carriers like that and they work fine. I see a problem coming when you carry one vertical and one horizontal. I also like to keep my off duty stuff arranged similar to my on duty rig, and I realize this may not be an issue for those who don't go to work saddled with a duty rig. KISS I think is a good way to go.

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I never thought it made much difference untill I got a double mag carrier from Gary Brommeland. His single and double all have a bullet forward cant to them and it does make a big difference, not only for seated access, but access from a bent or crouched possision as well. They also allow you to slide the carrier further back tward the spine for better concealment if needed. After having both I will always opt for the foward cant.


good luck

Nick

I was going to order from him the forward cant mag holders and now I have been told that they have been "outlawed" in IDPA. Has anyone else heard this?

I still plan on ordering them for CCW, but need IDPA legal for now. I certainly won't let a game regulate my carry gear completely, but its not in the budget of priorites now to have 2 sets of mag holders. I guess I can buy some cheapos for IDPA if these canted mag holders have indeed been banned. What a pain!

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Magazine carrier must:
A. Be designed for concealed carry and suitable for all day
continuous wear.
B. Be worn on a standard belt of no more than 1 ¾” width that
must pass through the belt loops on the shooter’s pants.
C. Hold the magazine with enough tension to allow it to be
turned upside down and retain a fully loaded magazine.
D. Cover 2” of the magazine as measured from the top of the
cartridge rim down the back flat of the magazine tube.
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E. Cover the entire front face of the portion of the magazine
inside the carrier. The front face is defined as the side of the
tube away from the shooter’s body.
F. Hold the magazine within 10 degrees of vertical (80-100° to
the ground) position on the belt, no substantial forward or rear
cant.
G. Be worn in a belt location that will position the front edge of
the carrier behind the centerline of the body.

Emphasis added

Thanks Clark! I just looked it up too. Feel better now.

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