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I have to ask about accuracy. I'm considering a Wilson CQB and a YOBO 1*. What should expect for accuracy. I know Wilson has the 1.5" guarentee, and from what I've heard they are usually better than that. Are the Yost 1*'s as accurate?

Yes! Now how accurate are you, because that is the factor that matters.

I shot expert at USAFA. Gnats' balls are in danger when I"m around!

Just ask Ted what their standard is for 1* accuracy. Gunsmiths often don't list accuracy guarantees for their work, because they'll typically give you whatever accuracy you are willing to pay for.

The 10mm that Ted made for me a while back with a Schuemann AET barrel was stupidly accurate. On par or better than a purpose-built bullseye .45 shooting target wadcutters... with bullets going about 500 ft/sec faster. Y-B definitely makes accurate weapons.

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Sean Smith
"Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that?" -Jack Burton, Big Trouble in Little China

Something to consider about the Wilson accuracy guarantee: it is for any 5 consecutive shots from a ransom rest at 25 yards, and only 1 of 7 different approved loads has to meet the group size guarantee (1.5" or 1", depending on the gun) for it to meet the accuracy guarantee criteria.

http://www.wilsoncombat.com/faq_handgun.htm

So accuracy guarantees don't necessarily mean what they sound like they mean. Others will guarantee a group with only one kind of ammo (typically Federal Gold Medal Match), some may include 10 shots or exclude a "flyer," etc.

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Sean Smith
"Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that?" -Jack Burton, Big Trouble in Little China

No question my CQB beats the accuracy guarantee more or less out of the box - didn't rest it till the 501st shot - don't think that mattered, no stutters no complaints. No fudging, no selected ammunition, no on a good day - I can count on it for bragging or show-off groups on demand. At this point if it ever failed to deliver I'd check the Ransom Rest first. Settling shots etc. as appropriate and required. I use a buffer in the pistol in the Rest as well; some say the Rest is hard on a gun and I suspect they're right.

I'd rather have a YoBo - if I could swap the CQB at original price for a credit at YoBo I'd do it in a heartbeat. Now that I've owned a CQB I'd like to change some things. The CQB is well worth what I could get for it right now to me though. If it's ever up for refinishing while I still own it then it will get some other changes at the same time.

Accuracy from a Ransom Rest is not the be all and end all. I can't vouch for Gil Hebard's story that Bill Blankenship once deliberately chose a less accurate pistol for Olympic competition because it had a better trigger - I do believe it.

I'd trust the YoBo I'd order to beat Wilson pretty much across the board - but it would have more options than the 1*.

There are other factors (like trigger feel and function and reliability) to consider above the ability to shoot one tiny group from a ransom rest. There is only one anser to your question, at least for me, Yo-Bo or save your cash.

JeffVN

Bear in mind that a new CQB is over $2,000, while a basic 1* is only $1,295. A 1* Enhanced with a match barrel added to the package, or a 1* Elite, would be more proper comparisons price-wise.

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Sean Smith
"Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that?" -Jack Burton, Big Trouble in Little China

Despite its high price, the CQB is not a custom pistol, and the Yost is. Handle both side by side, and the decision will become very easy. In reference to accuracy, there are very, very few shooters whose skills actually surpass a high quality pistol's maximum accuracy. Stay safe, SRT

This one is a one holer @ 25 yards. I finally got around to ransom resting it at a local range and it put a magazine into .5" @ 25 yards. A mismatch USGI somebody did some accuracy work on at some point in its life.
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I haven't owned one of Mr Yost's 1911s, but I have owned one of his Hi-Powers. It was very consistant and accurate. I have, however, owned 6 or 7 Wilson's. They have all been very accurate. Some with one or two loads, most with just about anything I shot through them. I've also owned a couple of full house customs from other smiths along with a couple of Ed Browns and several Baers. I have yet to own a custom or semi-custom that was not in the 1 to 1 1/2" range, with at least one load. I wouldn't worry about accuracy. My concerns would be features offered, prices and availability.

I guess I have to offer my $.02. The most important thing to me, on a defensive gun, is function/reliability. Having been in a hostile enviroment a few times including one shooting, it is my opinion most factory guns are more than accurate enough. Once they have been tweaked by a good smith they will usually outshoot their operator. I am not sure of the formula to calculate inch & a 1/2 @ 50 from a ransom rest to 2 1/2 feet (average police shooting distance the last time I saw a stat) from shaking hands but the fact that it will go bang reliably is much more important too me. Ergonomic features which allow me to put it in operation (the right safeties etc) under stress and a good reliabilty package is where I will spend my money.

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My .02. I know of very few people (the previous writer being one of the few) who can pick up a factory gun and shoot it to its potential accuracy level. In my opinion I would focus on reliability and function and spend a whole lot more on ammo. Plus it is really cool when you start seeing how different things affect grouping,i.e. barrell cleanliness,powder load, bullet weight etc.. And once you get to that point you will really start to see results and you may notice a significant decrease in group size with an accurized gun. You may already know this but hey maybe somebody who reads this post doesnt. Best of luck with whatever you decide.

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yeah, make sure you take the "accuracy gaurantees" with a big grain of salt.


from semi-c manufacturers

like for instance when the springfield PRO. won the contract for the f.b.i.

unlike the said 1" accuracy. i believe it was 1.5" groups at 25yrds. 3 CONSECUTIVE MAGAZINES. 28rd.....


that said. is a lot better than any crap wilson or all them other guys gaurantee. and i believe like everything else. any of the ltw guys will get you whatever accuracy your bank account allows!

Got to agree with the most important factor on a defensive is the reliability. That being said, going the custom or semi-custom (investing the money) and having a gun that would not beat a stock would be quite disappointing. Personally given the choice I would go with a Yost gun.