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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:00 am 
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The MEU SOC 1911 is a gun that is a bit of an enigma. A few different companies have built guns to meet the standard and claimed that their product was in the hands of Marines in the field. The Marines themselves have been rebuilding GI guns to their own specs using Quantico’s “rifle” section. Gunsmiths have done their best to replicate it. Why? Because it’s a no-frills, utilitarian, working man’s gun. It’s not a beauty queen on the outside, but it does its job very well. This is what got one of Dave Sams’ recent customers thinking.

This customer came to Dave after a few huge disappointments with other gunsmithing shops that didn’t give him his money’s worth. He checked out a few of my guns, actually bought one, and was hooked on Dave’s work. Why? Well, dressing up a gun to look nice is easy, but dropping a large chunk of change on a gun that is simply a factory piece dressed up a bit is foolish. Dave’s guns are pretty from the inside out. The exterior details mean nothing if the internals aren’t 100% right. Dave’s builds are tight, smooth, repeatable, and reliable. Not many bullseye or IPSC shooters have concern for pretty guns, they just want accuracy and total reliability. Dave cut his teeth with competition guns, and his defensive carry guns are no different inside… they’re just “prettier.” If you get a Dave Sams gun, you can rest assured that he built it, from start to finish, and nobody else helped. Nothing gets "jobbed out," not even the finishing. Unless you want a hard chrome gun or need aluminum re-anodized, he can do it. His parkerizing is pretty damn nice, just like everything else he does.

While this MEU SOC “replica” isn’t a pretty gun on the outside, shooting it makes you want to leave your woman, sell your belongings, and change your religion. It shoots like a top-end bullseye gun (because it is, essentially), and it runs like a sewing machine with anything you put in it marked .45ACP. It’s not a dead ringer for a Marine built 1911, but with all the documented variations, they aren’t, either. It wears a McCormick beavertail simply because they look, feel, and fit better. The stainless Bar-Sto Barrel is blackened (stainless blackened, a Sams specialty), and the magazines are blackened to match (this is not Wilson’s factory black mag). I can guarantee that anyone who has owned or carried one of these would gladly give up theirs for this one. I liked it so much I completely changed an order I’ve had in line for over a year to duplicate this gun (almost). It is that good.

I’ll let the photos tell the rest of the story.

Enjoy, JR, and happy shooting.

~Jim Keeney

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Why have a shiny barrel in a GI gun? Nobody I've heard of can blacken stainless steel like Dave without spraying and baking it.

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Note the subtle inspector's mark. For you slower ones out there :wink: , it means Sams Custom Gunworks.

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Nothing like a true match fit bushing with the serial number stamped on it.

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A Dave Sams machined rear sight

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:50 am 
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Nice killin' gun.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:25 am 
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Very clean, no nonsense. I like the serial numbered parts and the parkarizing. What kind of sights are those?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:25 am 
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I believe he said Dave Sams machined it.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:23 am 
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That's cool Jim. Thanks for sharing.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:16 pm 
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Now, it's not that I doubt you one bit, but talking all this game about the gun's abilities and not providing at least one target is close to blasphemy :lol: I think someone posted here or 1911 forum once that all custom guns should be posted with a target and I like that idea. Don't get me wrong, the beauty of all of these guns gets my juices flowing but nothing brings the finale like a ragged one-hole target.

I'm sure we'll see some targets forthcoming ;) Great looking gun. It may not be built for looks but it looks damn fine to me. That's another reason to love the 1911, whether dressed in workout sweats or all decked out for the ball the 1911 is always a looker when built right.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:41 pm 
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Mr. Denny,

There are two reasons I did not post pictures of a shot group with this gun. First, it is not mine, and though I had a chance to shoot it and saw it from a Ransom rest and sandbag rest, I did not save targets. Secondly, I did a post a while back about Dave's guns that did, indeed, include a 50yd test target from a Caspian .45 he built that measured 0.86" for 10 shots, and I was almost laughed off of the forums because everyone in the world said "there's no way," or called me a liar in one way or another. I know of quite a few shops who shoot their guns at 10-25 yards and simply multiply the group by a factor to get their "average" at 50 yards. That is crap. I could also shoot a group at 15 feet and call it 50 yards. Who's to say? All I can say is this... with a few very trustworthy gentlemen from this forum as my witnesses, I have personally been present for at least 10 of Dave's pistols (1911 and Beretta) that have broken 1" at 50 yards for 10 shots. There is a reason he's been in the winner's circle so many times. His guns allow shooters to do their absolute best with total reliability.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:55 pm 
I like them that way. Simple, built right and looks like an traditional 1911 without all the fancies. I have built a couple that way, and have another more traditional project waiting, and it is guns like this set the pace. Looks good, feels great, shoots like a laser gun and dependable to the last round. Well done!

Jess


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:12 pm 
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Hoo-whee!!! Another nice one from Cartersville VA!!!

I think that I might be one of the guys, that Jim mentioned, that can attest to the accuracy of Dave's pistols. It is very true what he says, sub-1", 10 shot groups from 50 yards. Unless Jim posts target photos, we'll probably won't see any as Dave doesn't take photos or post on the internet and I don't have the equipment to take decent digital photos. Don't know if the owner of this pistol does or not. Hopefully, he does.

I have a 5" Caspian .38 Super coming out of Dave's shop in the near future. I'll get Jim to do a photo shoot of it to include the targets.

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All that's needed to complete that pistol is a tango to whack...


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:53 am 
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far too nice to be a real MEUSOC :wink: Im having one built by a retired 2112 USMC Armorer, hope it comes out 1/2 as nice as this one.

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A really nice piece of custom gunsmithing. I am a big fan of Mr. Sam's work and it takes a lot of self control not to take every single firearm I own to him to be worked over. Thanks to Jim for posting this one!

Ross


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:02 am 
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Wow. That's awesome. One inch and sub one inch at 50 yards, I am more than impressed. I got to thinking that maybe that wasn't your gun after all, I am guessing this is the one that helped you change your mind into wanting one no doubt.

Just a little gentle ribbing. I have seen all of the work you have posted of your guns done by Dave Sams and they are downright impressive. I'm sure that your posts here have made his waiting list grow.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:46 am 
Very nice pictures, Jim! Looks like a fighting handgun to me.


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Do the Marine's MEU .45's have an Ambi safety or was that a request of the customer?


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:06 am 
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Joe D,

The genuine MEU (SOC) pistols have an ambi safety...a King's part if I recall correctly.

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The genuine MEU (SOC) pistols have an ambi safety...a King's part if I recall correctly.

WD
Thanks Wayne. Stay safe.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:31 pm 
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Good Lord, that's nice.

Something tells me he's going to be making a LOT like that.


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Good Lord, that's nice.

Something tells me he's going to be making a LOT like that.
I know for a fact that Dave ordered extra parts and milled extra sights, just in case....

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Beautiful...

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Awesome :D


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Very nice!

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That gun is incredible! I want one!


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