ltwguns.com

Good topic if I may my two cents.

I’m neither for or against them, its for sure a personal feel for all of us, I have a Springer loaded with and a colt base with out both are of the Gov size, I can feel a slight drag on the Springer presenting and holstering, but will never use them in a combat situation, cant see my self pulling or pushing on the front of the slide after a re-load use the wrap around technique.

But I do find my self using them in my garage checking the chamber when funning around with a snap cap.

If I had to choose I would not spend extra to get them put in! will not benefit performance / reliability.

I do find more novice users wanting them but they don’t even know why, looks? Maybe…..
Please don’t take offense you pro’s out there something you grew up loving don’t change on by behalf.

Anyway I can go on for days but that’s it.

_________________
pass the mayo please..

this wife is mine there are many like her but this one is mine.

Why is it a "recipe for disaster"?

Well, I'm 66 years old and have been messing with 1911's (bought a 1911 A1 in 1960)since Colt was the only game in the world, except for some Llama's and South American clones, which are not worth mentioning and I like them on 5" guns.
My personal opinion is the negative attitude about them smacks of elitism.
Not there is anything wrong with elitism as long as we recognize it ourselves.
To each his own.
Marsh

I'm not sure I know what elitism is, but I am proud to be one.

I don't really have anything agianst forward slide serations other than they do not apeal to me and I would prefer not to have them if given a choice.

I don't press check periodically to see if I have a round chambered. That is not something I find necessary to do. Now, If I was active duty military, law enforcement, a firearms insructor or active in IDPA where I was constantly loading, unloading and/or preparing to engage targets I would probably appreciate forward slide serations.
Mike Fletcher

I've done business with Mike and he really is an OK guy even though an out-of-the-closet ELITIST

I've also done business with Marsh who is close to my age and has had a by-pass like me. However, I know a dirty little secret ..........he shoots those weird looking rifles called Schuetzen?? so he's possibly an elitist too

I think elitists are pretty much good people as long as they don't cram their opinions down on everyone else

Peace, Love and Harmony to all!!

_________________
Bob

Smiths and 1911s are what it's all about!

Bob,
Smiths & 1811's do it for me too, as long as I can have the occasional Schutzen rifle.
Marsh

All you have to do is ASK for them to leave 'em off. I have had 2 Les Baer pistols (P2 and TRS) where they were left off & my current RRA doesn't have them either. In all 3 cases, it was done at no cost.

They do now, but they did not always, because I have asked in the past.

My Les Baer TRS without serrations is atleast 3 years old. The Premier II is from 05 and the RRA is from 04 or 05 (can't remember).

Ed Brown and Les Baer would not do it 1998-2000
I asked both several times. I'm guessing it had to do with the number of slides that were already completed. At that time Ed Brown was still using Baer slides & frames.
Mike Fletcher

Can take em or leave em.. but I am getting a gun built and it is my choice to not have FCS..Ball Cuts are in order tho

_________________
My future's determined by Thieves, thugs, and vermin
My rights are denied by Those least qualified
Everything's backwards In Americana

I prefer my 1911s without them but I have traded for a Nowlin that had them and think it's ridiculous to think they significantly slow your draw but everyone has an opinion.

The only reason to draw your gun fast is if someone has a gun pointed at you, BUT if thats the case then you've already lost.
Marsh

Hmmn....I would recommend that you take an LFI course with Mas Ayoob - ASAP!

Not only an opinion, experience as well. Wether or not forward slide serations impact draw speed depends on the holster and the material it is made of.

I have two Ed Brown 1911's with forward slide serations a 5" and a 6". Both are fine guns and remarkably accurate and 100% reliable. In a Kydex holster or any Galco Holster there is no noticable difference in draw speed due to the forward slide serations.

I have two Kramer Verticle belt scabards made from horsehide one for a 5" 1911 and one for a 6" 1911. The 5" Ed Brown 1911 is very slow to draw from this holster and the 6" 1911 is darn near impossible to remove from the holster, much less draw. 1911's with out forward slide serations draw just fine from these holsters. Therefore Forward Slide Serations can slow down your draw and the forward slide serations muck up the inside of the holster.

Mike Fletcher

My experiences are different from yours and upon referencing a local instructor from TDSA (Tulsa), his experiences seen in AP classes reflected mine. Natuarally, I referenced the use of leather instead of kydex. Nonetheless, in the classes I took including some CQB and AP courses that required a signifcant amount of draws, there were no problems with mine, and that was with using a Milt Sparks VM2. Nor did I see any problems with other 1911s I saw, but I never checked what kind of leather they were using.

Either way, I guess you'll go on having problems and I won't along with many others.

[/quote]
Either way, I guess you'll go on having problems and I won't along with many others. [/quote]

No problem, I just use different holsters. Or horror of horors; no holster at all!
They only real problem I see with forward slide serrations is that in my opinion they have a limited real world aplication, but appear to be a nearly universal requirement.

Experience in a three day or a five day or a 7 day training class is not indicative of what happens when you carry concealed 12-15 hours per day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks per year for multiple years.

[
Hmmn....I would recommend that you take an LFI course with Mas Ayoob - ASAP![/quote]


I can't believe Mas would advise trying to out draw someone who has a gun pointed at you.
Their's your receip for disaster mentioned earlier.IMHO
Marsh

It might just be time to let this thread die a well-deserved and long overdue death.
Why not move on.... to let's say......full length guide rods?

_________________
http://www.rogersprecision.com

You missed the intent of my post, which was to be helpful.

In your original post you stated "The ONLY reason to draw your gun fast..."

Since your original statement appeared to be indicative of someone new to firearms and their legal use in self-defense, I recommended LFI for you to become knowledgable in the legal use of a firearm to defend yourself. In other words, you don't have to wait for someone to point their gun at you to draw fast and defend yourself.

Sorry if my assumption as to your experience missed the mark.

Regards,
John

That OK. But I am an instructor for the State of Tennessee.
Marsh

I think this one has run it's course.

--md

If you like them great...If you don't great. The opinions on this topic have been sufficiently covered by those who feel strongly about it.

Nobody is going to totally agree with everyone else on this modification. LTW #1 had them and it was a classic Colt. Not a great deal of people calling that gun out and nobody that would not have been happy to own it.

When these posts stop becoming productive they need to be shot and buried.

_________________
Heirloom Precision, LLC.
480-804-1911

"If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking."
- General George Patton Jr