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There seems to be a little confusion about which features are hard wired on the Trident and which are options.

Customer options include:

Finish (parkerized or FailZero)
Sights (Heine Ledge or Warren Tactical rear)
Thumb safety (strong side only or ambi. Ambi can be shortened for Crimson Trace Laser Grips)
Light rail (with or without Dawson Rail. Standard bolt on rails considered on a case by case basis)
Slide serrations (forward serrations added or not, they will match the rear serrations which are vertical on GI's)
Barrel (an extra threaded barrel for a suppressor can be ordered and fit to your Trident)
Magazines (you may order as many FailZero coated C&S 7-round magazines as you wish when ordering a Trident)

I think I covered everything.

Frogman

When the red phone rings and the world needs saving, ( Yeah - I know, but it could happen! ) this would be an OK pistol. Until then though, precisely fit components finished beautifully in blue will just have to do.



Sorry - It's just that the LTW smiths have ruined me for the tough guy tactical gun scene. I need more than marketing. I need tangible, obvious, exceptional attention to fit, detail, function, and finish. Probably because I'm old enough to remember when the term "Hard Use" applied to Rigby and Holland & Holland double rifles and Registered Magnums.

PM sent, Colt Fan.

Frogman

I had a chance to examine and shoot Frogman's Trident last weekend. It is an excellent pistol, well thought through and very well executed. The slide stop is what I want now on my 1911s.
We did a walk-back drill and all of us shooting Trident made hits on steel all the way back to 100 yards; I actually think two guys got hits at 115.

Frogman,

C&S TRIDENT

I am very interested in three things which I hope
you will be able to comment on.

A.) How has the "strong front sight" worked out
as far as being break free?

B.) Have you subjected the TRIDENT to sand, mud
and "moon dust" abusive testing? Does the dirt,etc.
entering though the ejection port and beveled mag
well openings have any disabling effect on the gun?
Does it get into the "action parts"?

C.) Do you have any experience with the CLP Froglube
under sever combat conditions? Particularly interested
to know the results in "moon dust"; etc.?

Thanking you in advance for taking the time to answer
my questions,

Respectfully yours,

Lubin Palmer III

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With Ball They All Fall.

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Very interested if anyone has any thoughts on what coating/finish would be comparable to this one as well, as last I heard guns could not be sent to FailZero for coating.

Once again, nice piece Frog.

Bill is looking for another nickle boron based finish that is similar to Fail Zero. I hope to have my Trident in next week in time to shoot it in an Extreme Close Quarters Shooting class I am taking next weekend.

Bill is also working to bring an all C&S Trident to market with his OEM frame, slide, barrel, and internal parts.

Stay safe,

Rob

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We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. George Orwell

Lubin,

Here are the answers to your questions:

A.) How has the "strong front sight" worked out
as far as being break free? It has worked very well. I can highly recommend this sight for any build. It looks exactly like it did when the gun arrived. Usually I can detect little dingers in the sight edges by now.

B.) Have you subjected the TRIDENT to sand, mud
and "moon dust" abusive testing? Does the dirt,etc.
entering though the ejection port and beveled mag
well openings have any disabling effect on the gun?
Does it get into the "action parts"? I have in New Mexico and Arizona. Those regions do not have the same fine talcum powder like dust that Afghanistan does. When the winds kick up in the American Southwest they do blow large amounts of more course dust around. The Trident did very well with no lube whatsoever. It consistently shot through more ammo than I carry in combat for my pistol, without lube and while full of dust and carbon. I would put a good lube on my Trident for real world operations, mind you. Its just nice to know that you can get away with no lube for a good long while if needed. All of that said, helicopter rotor wash will fill up any gun with dust. That dust will go all the way into it through the ejection port, magwell, grip safety gaps, and trigger bar raceways. Sooner or later it will take in too much. There is no exposed firearm that is impervious to this. A better coating helps a lot, but you can undo that with the improper balance of lube (i.e. type vs. quantity) and prolonged exposure to dust without cleaning.

C.) Do you have any experience with the CLP Froglube
under sever combat conditions? Particularly interested
to know the results in "moon dust"; etc.? I have not used Frog Lube at all. I know the retired SEAL who owns the company very well and have been curious about the lube, particularly how it compares with XF-7. I have an overseas trip scheduled soon and will try to get some Frog Lube to take with before I go.

Bill and I are working on a Trident II pistol as well as looking for an alternative to FailZero. I think FailZero is a good product, but the company does not want to work with 1911 components sent in from a custom builder anymore. Apparently, it takes a lot of detailed labor to prep and finish 1911 parts and I think that detracts from FailZero's primary efforts too much. We may go toward NP3 for several reasons (i.e. solid company set up with an emphasis on refinishing 1911 components, good lubricity, durable coating..etc). We'll see. The Trident II will incorporate some additional features while also retaining the unique features of the Trident.

Frogman