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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:36 pm 
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Is there a reason you switched from Wilson mags to Novak mags in the 1* packages? Just curious if you had a problem with the Wilson mags?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:57 pm 
Oh I didn't notice that, I would be interested in the answer too.

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Me too.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:49 am 
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I have had Novak mags that were no good and a couple that got cracked feed lips after a few houndred rounds.
I know that Wayne Novak went over himself to try and help figure the problems they were having, but I didn't care for them.
Best mags I have ever had were the MetalForm Springfield Armory Spec'd mags for the Professional model. I have thousands of rounds through those and have never had any problems in any 1911 I have ever used them through.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:51 am 
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I have used Novak mags since they have become available and I swear by them if I need an 8rd mag. The first run was prone to cracking at the rear top of the tube and was slightly too hard and thin in that area. I had 4 of 12 original tubes crack and they were promptly warranted by PSI (the importer) In addition they sit a bit higher in the gun and the disconnector rail can hit the mag if there is some tolerance stack and cause peening also-keep your eyes peeled for that.

According to PSI and Novak, the cracking issue has been fixed and should be less prone to crack. My cracked tubes fed 100%, FWIW.

They have great springs that last a LONG time and slick internal and external finish. Slick metal follower. The quality is far superior to most other mags on the market.

There are some minor details I would change, but for the price they are great 8 rd mags. I would like to see an aluminum or carbon fiber/G-10 baseplate and also a detent/dimple on the follower. Other than that they are GTG.

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The easiest answer is quality and value. I’ll start off by saying that in the vast majority of instances there is nothing wrong with the Wilson part and in reality it is probably one of the most tested magazines in history. The magazines have solid construction, they work, and generally work well. I personally think the Wilson part excels in the 7 round configuration and most of the problems I have seen with the magazines are due to the follower in the 47D. That’s not to say the 8rd magazines don’t work or that everyone should swap this part for that part to try to concoct something that is theoretically reliable. I’ll be the first guy to tell you that is the magazine works in your gun with your ammo who cares what name is on it.

What the Novak magazines allow us to do is offer an extremely high quality part at a lower cost, simple as that... no parts swapping or assembly required. :wink: The components used in the magazines are as good as anything that I have seen in any other brand of magazine. The tubes are well constructed, the springs are quite powerful and use enough coils and a heavy enough gage to resist premature wear, the follower is a solid and well-designed part that will not “tip” inside the magazine body, and they have an excellent polish on the inside to aid the followers travel. I think if I have one complaint with the magazine it would be the floor plate, as I prefer one that has a shelf perpendicular to the front strap of the gun, as I have found that it aids in removing the magazine one-handed.

To this date, and to the best of my knowledge, we have had only one magazine returned due to a cracked feed lip and it’s my understanding that it was an earlier Novak marked part. To contrast that I have an early Novak mag in my range bag that I have been using to test guns with since the beginning of this year. Since January this magazine has been used during the testing of every gun that has left the shop and that magazine has seen countless thousands of rounds. I have yet to experience any trouble with it but I’ll keep testing with it to see if I can break something.

Once again I think it’s important to note that while magazines are one of the most important components of a reliable gun it mattes not what brand it is or whos part is inside of it so long as it works in your gun. One should be weary about getting sucked into the mentality of “you gotta’ have this part/parts or else your gun may not run right”. The best way to prove reliability is by doing it your self. :D

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:56 am 
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Thanks Jason, that was what I was expecting. I have been thinking of trying the Novak mags but the stories of cracked feed lips kept me away. Seems they have that figured out and I'm going to try some out. Can someone confirm that the PSI brand mags from Brownells are the same mags? I know they are the importer, just want to make sure they are the same quality as the Novak mags.

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/store/ ... +MAGAZINES

Also, any preference to the blued or nickel? I assume the nickel will hold up better?

Bryan


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I'll also add my 2 cents worth. I have 12 of the early Novak 220 mags. They have been extremely reliable and I have never had a problem with them that can be traced to the mag. I bought them as a cheaper alternative to the Sig 8 round mags and figured I would use them for training and use the Sig mags for carry. Well after a few training classes I realized they were as reliable as the Sig mags and finally ended up w/12 of them.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:23 am 
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the PSI mags are the same as Novaks.
I like the nickel-they stay slick and will not rust.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:59 pm 
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Once again I think it’s important to note that while magazines are one of the most important components of a reliable gun it mattes not what brand it is or whos part is inside of it so long as it works in your gun. One should be weary about getting sucked into the mentality of “you gotta’ have this part/parts or else your gun may not run right”. The best way to prove reliability is by doing it your self. :D
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:35 pm 
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Can someone confirm that the PSI brand mags from Brownells are the same mags?
If it were me, I'd buy magazines with Novak rollmarks on them; if they do crack, or you have any other issues with them, I don't know if Brownells will replace them for free 12 or even 3 months from the date of your purchase. Novak will.

I really hope they have gotten the cracking issue under control. I used Novak magazines for a short period of time and really liked them; maybe even more so than Wilson magazines. However, every single one of mine developed cracks after only a couple of hundred rounds, including the replacements I received in exchange for the first "batch" of cracked ones. As a matter of fact, I have never seen a Novak magazine that would not develop cracks. A friend of mine had been using Novak magazines with his P220 and had never had any issues; naturally, when he bought the Sig GSR, he bought 6 Novak 1911 magazines for it. Just like my magazines, all 6 developed cracks within first 100 rounds or so. Like I said, I'm not trying to bash them, and I would even give up my Wilson 47Ds (they have their own weaknesses, as has been mentioned earlier) for Novaks only if I could be 100% certain that cracking issue has been addressed. Right now I'm still in the "wait and see" mode.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:09 pm 
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I am one of Wayne's friends, going way back, and get to see new things very early on. I saw the original mags several years ago when they were being developed, and they were changed after the early production run(s) due to the lip cracking problems. Novak was made aware of the problem, and ordered specific changes.

Wayne didn't develop the mags just to have a product with his name on it, but to make a better product. For many years all the guns the shop built came with Wilson mags, as they were considered the best at the time. I have a bunch of early production Wilson mags (7 rd. only), and some newer ones. There are obvious visual differences between the old and the new. Apparently there are soem changes that are unseen, such that there have been problems cropping up here and there. That having been said, I know that both Novak's and Wilson stand behind their product.

As a side note, Novak mags are now also available in a parkerized finish, for those who don't like shiny mags. :)


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:05 am 
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As most of you know I retail many of the one man shops and have for many years. I get guns in that have been tested with specific mags and I have listened to countless my "gun don't work" issues.

Jason said it best:
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I’ll be the first guy to tell you that is the magazine works in your gun with your ammo who cares what name is on it.
One well known maker in particular has sent with Wilsons, Powermags, or Factory Colts. Usually Wilson's and Colts. All have been tested with that particular gun. I have yet to have him send one anything else. (at this time).

That is not to say any others will not work in the gun very well but the ones tested in a hand built custom gun work the "Best" in that custom gun.

Keep in mind the components of an actual gun issue, Gun, Magazine and or Ammo. NOT an operator issues

( :oops: as I remembered last week changing from full size primary to little subcompact back up in a drill. I limp wristed the last round in the subcompact. Forgot increased torque. Then no more operator issue :oops: .)

:idea: Is that why we practice for stuff to go wrong. :idea:

Quality, well made, tested components in that particular gun are the best value.

Comment here. I have an 1911 not A1 (made in 1920) and old GI mags work best in that gun with ball ammo. What the gun was designed to use in 1920? New mags and hollow points do not work well it.

Just from my goofs and seeing others. Do not sacrifice a dollar or two for a bit less quality and value. Almost as good as is not.

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Nothing really new to add, just my personal experience. I agree with the "if it works for you be happy" crowd. I have and use Wilson, Novak, and Tripp magazines. All three work for me, and in my opinion are good magazines.

Pick a brand...use it allot...if it works well for you...smile...and then move on to the "which caliber is best" debates. :lol:

The only magazine brand I have every experienced a failure with was a Metalform seven rounder... I had the bottom (and all the remaining rounds) fall out onto my boots during a shoot and move drill. That was a fun malfunction to clear. :shock:


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Just a follow up. I ordered the mags from Brownells and they were actually labeled "Novak". Nice. They have been 100% reliable through many rounds and they are so much easier to insert when loaded to the full capacity.

Thanks for the heads up, I don't own one 47d anymore :wink:


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Just a follow up. I ordered the mags from Brownells and they were actually labeled "Novak". Nice. They have been 100% reliable through many rounds and they are so much easier to insert when loaded to the full capacity.

Thanks for the heads up, I don't own one 47d anymore :wink:

I know, I bought them..... :D


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It is my understanding that Novak mags are made by ACT in italy by a guy that worked many years for MEC-GAR. They have Novaks name on them and are imported by PSI . If this info is wrong ,please correct me............

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It is my understanding that Novak mags are made by ACT in italy by a guy that worked many years for MEC-GAR. They have Novaks name on them and are imported by PSI . If this info is wrong ,please correct me............
That's correct, also the ones with Nighthawk, S&W, Wolff and a few others are made in Italy by ACT. I would imagine that springs, followers, etc may be changed depending on what brand is stamped on the mag. But all I have seen so far look to be the exact same. They are an excellent mag and a good value. Might be a good time to stock up as sooner or later they will realize what's happening and good old supply vs demand will kick in.


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I believe that's already beginning to happen.............

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