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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:23 pm 
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I'm probably a few days away yet from having pics but I thought I'd take this chance to post a few details.

The customer basically told me to run wild. I took a pic of the gun as-received and doctored it up a bit to show him my ideas-- and they were maybe a little too wild (but I'll talk somebody into it soon enough :twisted: ). So I backed off a little. On the face of it, this gun will not look very much different from some of my recent work, but I wanted it to be a little "differenter" than that, so I have made it a lightweight. Yes, it's all stainless but I have removed a little bit of metal in a lot of places and you can feel the difference. I don't have a number on it yet as I am not yet done whittling.... but it'll be a good couple of ounces-plus, which doesn't sound like much but put four 230-grain slugs in your hand and that's just over two ounces. There are a lot of places where metal can be removed without compromising strength, I have visited most of them now, I'd say. Some examples:
-under the barrel bed
-in the front of the mag chute, between the bottom of the feed ramp and the top of the trigger cut

Both of these areas are quite massive. Also-
-the root of the trigger guard, where it joins the frame-- I have hollowed this out from the inside
-under the grips, I have cut several pockets. They do not go all the way through, just for neatness' sake
-I cut slots in the frame just forward of the slots that receive the mainspring housing
-the mainspring housing has had a lot of metal removed, on either side of the spring hole
-the (Yost) hammer has been lightened
-slide stop (Colt original) and thumb safety(Wilson Combat) have small lightening cuts on the back sides
-frame rails, where they pass over the mag chute, are removed as in STI or Guncrafter guns
-a series of small holes are drilled into the frame rails from the top, where they are thickest.
-cuts are made in the slide something along the lines of Lightweight Commander cuts, but not in the crack-o-matic style that is done at the factory. Additional lightening holes go from the bottoms of these slots into the mass of metal between the rear sight and breach face. Three, 1/8" holes go forward from under the firing pin stop to within about 5/16 of the breach face-- these are at 11:00, 1:00 and 6:00 from the firing pin hole.

The slide is still heavier than a LW Commander slide, plus of course it retains the full-length O-model slide stroke, so no function issues.

The barrel is a Nowlin bull barrel, so there's some added weight there, but I have reduced its weight. it ain't exactly fluted and it ain't turned down. You'll have to wait for the pics I guess.

I made the reverse plug from a piece of stainless barstock; it has the little filler piece in front, in this case everything is actually fitted up so that it doesn't just fill the gap, it does make contact with and support the barrel upon lockup.

Sights are made from stainless. I will be dubuting a new sight at SHOT and although it will not be available in stainless, this is that sight. It is a copy of the sight I made for my Officers ACP in 1985, but made to fit the Novak cut.... I will be calling it the Shield Driver but it is not the same shape as the ones I've been making from the YoBo Pro-Grades. The sights have been blasted, treated with a chemical conversion process to blacken them, and then given a spray and bake to get them as black as black can be. Tritium front and rear.

Conamyds, front, rear, and MiniMyds on the angled mag catch. The MSH (Legacy Custom) has been reduced. The MSH has been welded out to the full width of the rails at the bottom, to alleviate the sometimes unsightly effect of reducing the MSH into the locating slots. Magwell is my FLH, that is, no added metal but still a Fairly Large Hole.

It has my two-piece grip safety.

The grips, ah, the grips. I have pretty much just discovered Esmerelda. I had seen a few of hers before but I ordered several sets with the agreement I could send back all but whichever set I selected-- what a job that was, they were all so beautiful. I kept two sets (cocobolo per Neil Blackwood who is using it on the companion knife), and fitted one to this pistol. They are thin grips and between them and the girth reduction your hand thinks it's holding a .380.

There's more-- some of which will come to me later, some of which I am purposely holding out for the time being.....

Pics coming in the next 2-4 days.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:46 pm 
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There's more-- some of which will come to me later, some of which I am purposely holding out for the time being.....

Pics coming in the next 2-4 days.


........................"this is gonna be great!!!" Flounder.


Surprise surprise, lightening the gun--nice touch. I definately told you to run wild and I think we're all in for quite a show. The conamyds, I imagine, look really sharp and per your description of the rear sight I bet it's quite nice. The FLH on a lightened gun is a great idea. I can't wait to see the muzzle.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:02 am 
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I have often thought a STEEL Combat Commander in 9x23, hollowed out internally to the max to shed weight would be almost perfect.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:22 am 
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Can't wait, a glimpse into Nedly's mad mind. Gonna be a wild trip! :lol: See you in Vegas.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:02 am 
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I'm looking forward to this! Image

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The barrel is a Nowlin bull barrel, so there's some added weight there, but I have reduced its weight. it ain't exactly fluted and it ain't turned down. You'll have to wait for the pics I guess.
Any truth to the rumor that you've tied helium filled balloons to it for the desired effect? :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:21 pm 
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Any truth to the rumor that you've tied helium filled balloons to it for the desired effect? :mrgreen:
Well, CT, you have totally spoiled the surprise but at least you left the final custom touch for me to tell the folks-- the gun also comes with a pair of clown shoes!


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:15 pm 
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A couple snaps of the innards of this "air" gun, various stages of near-completion.

Some of the lightening measures on the safety, slide stop, and the two-piece grip safety.
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....And on the slide. The aforementioned holes under the FP stop and up from under the bottom.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:00 pm 
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very cool - looking forward to additional pics!


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:00 pm 
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very cool - looking forward to additional pics!
Me too!


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overachiever! 8)

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Man I can't wait to see the finished product. Especially the sights.......I might even be glad I haven't orded that 10-8 sight yet. Was it fate that Bravo Co. was out of them when I ordered the 10-8 trigger????

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:11 am 
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Well, since the Shield Driver sights come with a beret and some of those cool driving gloves with holes where your knuckles are, yes, I'm sure you'll think it worked out for the better :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:54 pm 
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So Ned, I take it you don't like 10-8 parts too much? I'm not into the "Rambo" stuff either, I just like simple, clean, tough parts. They're trigger fits that bill as does their sight. However, yours might fit that bill even better. I was gonna originally go Yost retro, or prof. grade. But the whole u-notch sight picture makes sense to me. Especially since I have an SDM gold bead front sight laying around.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:27 pm 
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So Ned, I take it you don't like 10-8 parts too much?
I didn't say that..... I don't see anything wrong with them.

BTW to keep things simple I expect the Shield Driver to be available only one way-- o'course this is subject to change-- square notch, shallow and on the narrow side. I really intend for them to be more of a starting point for a smith-- they are a little extra tall so they can be used on an Officers, or shortened for the 5" guns, and precisely height-adjusted to zero the pistol before finally being finished. A guy could make the shallow and narrow notch into a U-notch.


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This just in-- pics of the companion knife by Neil Blackwood...... man this is nice. Actually I'm not so sure the gun isn't a companion piece to the knife!

Nice job matching the cocobolo Neil!

Hey, what the.... nobody said anything about Damascus steel! Now I have to start over!

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Beautiful work Neil. Too dang bad you won't be at at SHOT this year....maybe next time. I'll get you some nice pics of the display.


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I just peeped the snaps at CKG!!!

Slick! The knife is very knice :)


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:55 pm 
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Wait 'till you se what Neil and I cooked up for attaching it to the gun! That's a joke.

Actually, I made your 1911 a "folder" to match the knife :lol:


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Move over Alfred Hitchcock, meet the new master of suspense. I really can't wait to see this one.


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Oh my goodness!!!

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Ned I cannot wait to see that one in person.


Plus it guves me ides for when my name comes up on the list again 8)

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:34 pm 
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Some further pics of areas I’ve lightened. Bad pictures, sorry, could not make the time to do them up nice….


The MSH has had metal removed in most places it's not needed..... behind it is the reverse plug made from scratch.
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Bad pics below show some metal removed inside the mag chute along the sides of the frontstrap. Also, harder to discern is the metal removed between the bottom of the feedramp and the top of the trigger cut. If you cut a frame in half front-to-back you would see a big solid spot here.... no harm in reducing it some. Also you can see where the root of the trigger guard has been hollowed out on the inside, and a hole under the barrel bed along the axis of the recoil spring. Then from the bottom of that hole, another hole angles down parallel to the front of the mag chute.
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I’m almost done, honest!


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Just to quote Roger Waters of Pink Floyd "There is someone in my head but it's not me"

Some of these dialogues can be comforting and even constructive. Others can be damaging, or simply a waste of time to ponder. Others, especially when these snippets of conversation audibly escape our lips, can be downright weird.

And if you are a pistolsmith they are very comforting from time to time....like I don't know... when you are in the shop alone at 2:45 a.m. and it is 15 degrees out and you are frantically trying to get a gun done?

Can't wait to see it Ned, looks unreal.

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Well Steve, it's 1:13 am and 24.4f.
I'm workin' on them there SHOTguns......if Photobucket wasn't temp down,
I'd put up some pics.
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So how much they gettin' for midnight oil out there, Chuck? Looks like you've been putting it to good use.


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Chuck,

When it comes to softening the guns edges, yours are by far the best I have ever seen. I like the fact that they are between dehorned and melted, while still retaining the gun's lines. This one I really like with the golfballing you have done. My hats off to you and all the others here on LTW.

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oh my goodness, what amazing things coming from the 'ol metalmaster-cam


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:31 am 
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Done!

Sorry to say I'm too beat to get pics up-- tried but goofed it up somehow..... soon.


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Ned,

Any idea on how much weight you were able to carve away?


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Well, let's just say if you weighed the chips I took out, and the amount of time it took to get them out, that would be some of the most expensive stainless ever.... :lol:

.....maybe 2-3 ounces, probably more like 2.


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