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i know barsto makes one. are they the only ones?

does kart make one?

Hello. No, sadly Kart doesn't make one for the Hi Power. I think KKM does but I've never used them so I cannot comment as to how they perform.

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I've had good luck with the KKM barrels in the Hi-Powers.

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If you are looking for a 40 S&W Hi-Power barrel your only real choice is Barsto. I talked to the guys a KKM last week they no longer have the 40 in stock and don't plan on making any in the future. If you are after a 9MM barrel both Barsto and KKM make them. I don't have a KKM Hi-Power barrel but I have on in the Glock 35 and it is first rate. I would suspect that their other products are just as good.

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i guess i will have to go with the barsto.... if im forced...

I really do not know if the comment applies as I get guns built for customers.

The cost difference between using a fitted crowned factory barrel and a Barsto or whomever may not be worth the performance difference.

Of the last 8 Browning only one opted for a match barrel and there has been no issue on performance or accuracy from any of them.

Two of the smiths I use to get the BHP's built say there is a marginal performance difference, this is on new guns not the older ones, but the cost difference may not be worth it as both need to be fitted. I know there is a corrosion difference carbon steel vs stainless of the aftermarket.

Just some more food for thought

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Interestingly enough, there are a (small) number of factory built BHPs that may suit the needs of a shooter seeking a bit more accuracy but not wanting to spend the money for a full house rebuild by one of the builders who frequent this site. In addition to my pair of Novak Hi Powers (40 & 9 and in slightly different configurations) I own a Browing Hi Power Competition. This was a small run of factory built (but I understand hand assembled in their version of the 'Custom Shop') long bbl, muzzle weight and sometimes a small comp, fitted with adjustable sights and, right out of the box, a damn accurate and nicely fitted gun. The barrel on mine looks like a 'normal' factory bbl of the time, but obviously the fit, lockup, slide/frame, etc was done right, which IMHO counts as much towards accurate shooting as a 'match' grade barrel. Of course, since it IS a longer barrel, it may be they were in fact specially built as a match barrel, but I can't say.

What is the point of this rambling blather? I paid $700 incluing shipping for a barely used, 99% gun. I have seen them advertised LNIB for at or just under $1,000.

Food for thought. Dave

I completed two BHP's at about the same time (there's a post from, I think, last summer about them, something like "A new pair for Lara Croft"). One had a BarSto and one used the factory barrel, so I ws able to do some comparisons. Generally the BarSto shot a wide variety of ammo somewhat better. In other words, the factory barrel seemed more picky about what it wanted to shoot well, but shoot well it did with some ammo types, and in fact, with one in particular, I don't remember which, it consistantly out shot the BarSto and at the end of all the test firing, it was clearly more accurate with that ammo (only) that the BarSto was with any. I definitely see some advantages to the BarSto in this statistically insignificant sampling, but they are not huge, especially if a guy were going to use only the one kind of ammo in the factory barrel. I'm thinking it was HydraShok though so a guy mightn't want to have to buy those by the truckload.

Kind of depends on the factory barrel and fit. I slugged one factory barrel that slugged .359, which was the obvious reason for it's inaccuracy. Also, if one needs to replace the factory barrel, the Bar-Sto and KKM barrels are actually cheaper than a new Browning/FN factory tube. The twist rate is also different on these, as the match barrels are pretty much standardized at 1-16, vs. the factory twist rate of 1-9.8", so the factory barrel spins the bullets a bit faster. I believe also, that the rifling on the factory barrels is a bit shallower, making the aftermarket barrels a bit more amenable to increased accuracy with lead vs. jacketed bullets All that said though I've found that most HP's are more accurate than most shooters can hold with the factory barrels.

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I have an Argentine Police Hi Power that I got for a song b/c it was worn a little and the seller thought it was broken and didn't tell me. Although the little $4 trigger return spring got me a huge discount

Anyway, the barrel on this one shoots like pure dung! I'm talking 6" groups at 15 yards. So I went on a quest for a used barrel to drop in but never had any luck. I stumbled across a "drop-in" Bar-Sto which fortunately did not drop in. It needs some fitting, which is my preference. I haven't fit it yet but hope to here shortly.

I was holding out for a KKM as I thought there was a reason that Don preferred the KKM to the Bar-Sto. Am I recalling correctly Don? Is there something preferable about the KKM?

Josh, Both the Bar-Sto and KKM barrels are made from 416, though the KKM is cut from one piece, while the Bar-Sto is made in two pieces like the factory tube. KKM button rifles theirs, while Bar-Sto broaches. I've found that they both will shoot VERY well. One of the main reasons I tended toward the KKM barrels was availability. For a long time, I could call Kevin at KKM and he would send the barrel out next day. Bar-Sto on the other hand was sometimes a long wait. Irv Stone seems to have gotten a handle on availability for the most part, and the wait for one of his barrels has become much better. Don't know why, but Bar-Sto still makes all their HP barrels with the "bump" feedramp (even the .40 barrels, which never used this profile). Seems to me that it would be a bit easier to machine them with the later style straight ramp (and it would save me from reprofiling them). At this point, it's probably a wash as to which is better, and I'll go with the customers wishes unless availability becomes an issue. Best,

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when you say 2peice barrel. do you mean 2pc. like the crappy springfield factory barrels like in the "loaded" models??

c.rod, Similar. According to R. Blake Stevens book - The Browning Hi-Power Automatic Pistol, page 169 states " Shortly afterwards, another innovation was introduced which greatly enhanced the process of manufacture of the barrel. Instead of laboriosly boring, rifling and mach-ining each barrel from a forged billet, henceforth a precisely-cut length of pre-rifled, hammer-forged tubing was solidly brazed to a prepared rear section, containing the barrel lug and locking cam slot." This change took place from 1962 onward according to the book.

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