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 Post subject: THE LTW "CHED" REV GUN
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:51 pm 
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The whole LTW experience has been entertaining, interesting, and more than anything else a learning experience for me. Not being as stupid as I look, I volunteered to photograph any of the LTW smiths guns. Heck, not a bad gig if you can get it. 8)

Being able to look at, study and learn from these guys has been unreal. As the Rev teams were put together, :twisted: you always like to think about how the guns will turn out when the styles collide. This team of Ned Christiansen and Chuck Rogers was never going to disappoint. They could have changed sights on a Glock and it would have been cool.

I first saw this gun in the white and knew it was going to be something special. The two eccentric smiths compliment each others style and could possibly have shared a glass of deoxyribonucleic acid at some point. Two perfectionists having a conversation on how to build a 1911.

Between Chuck's perfect "golfball" treatment that is functional, and certainly provides a whole new look to the fronstrap of a 1911, and Ned's ability to think of something and use his hands to translate it to steel always leaves you scratchin' yer head. I spent some quiet time with this one looking at the details. These guys are better people than they are smiths, and they are two of the finest smiths I am happy to know. Donating your time and energy to help someone else you will probably never meet is really saying alot. Hope you enjoy the snaps as much as I did taking them.

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Chuck's perfect "golfball" treatment.
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Nice non-reflective texturing to the rear.
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Incredible pics - as always. I'm liking the look of that matte rear on the slide, and unique slide top. Excellent work!!!

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Beautiful pistols gentlemen. Lots of attentions paid to details. The treatment to the top of the slide is so cool.


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You know, you look at one pic and say " I love that dimple treatment on the frontstrap and msh". And think ok thats it, another beatiful gun. Then you scroll to the next few pics and see the blendng with the grips, the melting of the corners, the concave relieving of the slide stop hole and think ok, beautiful.
Then you get to something you haven't seen before. The bark finish on the rear slide treatment. "WOW! Now thats new"! Keep going Al, this is getting good. Next, whats this, a concentric semi-circle pattern on top of the slide? Quickly, whats next! Be still my heart. A bushing I have never seen before. Altered and relieved to compliment the whole.
Then its over. Back to the real world. Oh well, I'll kiss the wife, pet dog, sip the coffee and wait anxiously for the next pictures from Mr Bailey. Thank you for your hard work sir.
Thank you Mr Christiansen and Mr Rogers for this respite. A magnificent collaberation of artists.
Impressive!

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I like guns. I really like 1911s. I really really like the LTW project 1911s. LTW project 1911s from Chuck and Ned are super duper fantastic. I like them a lot. Steve takes really super duper fantastic pictures of the 1911s I really really like a lot. So, in my best second grade writing style... YOU GUYS ROCK!!!

Seriously, though, thank you for sharing. Every one of you fellas at LTW impresses the heck outta me. I can't wait until Ned e-mails, PMs, or calls to say, "Jim, your name has come up on my list." Chuck, I think I need a golfball 1911 sometime fairly soon. We shall talk. Steve, what can I say? You are an amazing photographer, and your hard work for LTW is outstanding. I know you're a very busy man, and I know you don't waste your time, so each time you post photos I know it's going to be something special. Thank you!

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WOW agian you prove that something different is good..
and it is all in the Little things that you do....
LTW smthis can also be known as the Masters Of Metal.....

I have a couple of questions about the gun...
Who made the Barrel Bushing ?
and why is there a small hole in the middle of the recoil spring plug?

and after seeing the Wilson sights, I am thinking about them for my
Carry Commander...

Thanks for all the Great Pictures...


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Now that's pretty freakin' awesome! 8) I am impressed as always with the craftsmanship, but am really floored at how cool these features look together, all applied to one pistol. My imagination and vision just got stretched a bit. Did I say Awesome? :shock:

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I'm thunderstruck. Exquisite and time consuming detail, Chuck & Ned.

Someone is going to be quite happy with that one.

As usual Steve, excellent write up & pics.

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I worked until 2AM this morning and was still a little bleary eyed when I sat down with my "wake up" cup of coffee to see what was going on at LTW today. WOW! What an eye opener :shock:

I think that we've all seen and appreciated the two different masterfully executed styles of Chuck and Ned on their individual pieces, but to see them so wonderfully melded together is truly a sight to behold! I believe this is the underlying theme and hallmark of the work and generosity of LTW. No egos involved, just mutual admitation and appreciation and an unselfish desiire to cooperate and create something to benefit others less fortunate. And we get to see Steve's fantastic photos of all of these one of a kind masterpieces :D :D . Congratulations, Gentlemen, on a job well done.

And BTW Steve, if I let you know when I'm working nights, would you post some of your excellent pics of new pistols every morning to help me wake up? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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This was actually the first time I'd handled the Golfball treatment, and the first time I'd had a chance to really get into some of Chuck's work. I was disappointed-- when I went over it with my OptiVisor and tried like hell to find something to complain about. Chuck and I talk once in a while by phone and we always joke about how similar our approaches are to certain things, for guys who've not yet met and obvioulsy never worked together. Our backgrounds in metalworking are not awfully different, and that explains part of it. We also suspect that we are twins separated at birth (Ned looks off into space, pondering this, and absent-mindedly knocks his coffee over, spilling some on his leg. Miles away in Arizona, Chuck says, "Youch!")

Dunno what to say about the Golfball treatment other than, it is good. Wish I could call it mine..... it gives plenty o' grip and is very durable. The wide-openness of it means it won't get all clogged-- it's self-cleaning. The trigger on this gun is stupendous, Chuck obviously has this down (I still find trigger work trying sometimes). His fit-up of the grip safety is flawless. Chuck gets most of the credit on this gun.

The top end: the bushing is an EGW blank. I buy these basically roughed out, the end and the bore are not finished. I bore them to fit the barrel, then angle them one degree, and rebore, so the barrel has the space it needs to link down, but there is not unnecessary slop. They make them with several OD's so that you can get one that's a proper, no-wobble-but-no-bushing-wrench fit in the slide bore. The flange is extra thick on these do I sculpt them down as you see in the pics.

The hole in the recoil spring bushing is something I've been doing a couple different ways for a while now, either one in the front as seen here, or three holes equally spaced around the side, so they are not visible. They are simply drain holes, and probably just another exercise in the theoretical, but, especially here in Michigan, it would not be so far-fetched to have the gun get dunked, filling that part with water, and then have it freeze. Especially, say, a SWAT guy with the gun in a leg holster where it's exposed to the weather on a minus-10 day...... although, granted, if he's drenched and outside in minus-10, he's got other problems.....

This top end has an extra extractor (Wilson Bullet-Proof) fitted and matched at the rear with the texture on the rear of the slide ("tree bark", I like that, Al). The barrel is a Wilson, and I got some real decent groups with it, will have to check the file before I say just what they were. 'Course, Chuck's trigger made this a little easier.

The flat on the top of the slide-- I like to get sights a little lower than the standard, per-instructions installation, and this necessitates a flat. The Wilson sights, personally I think they are underrated. The more I use them, the more I like the shape. I mean, sight-picture wise, I find all three of the leading fixed sights the same, except that the Wilson in slanted down on the sides. A possible, theoretical, infinitessimal advantage. Or maybe it's just diffeent.

Chuck had sent the gun with the Davidson grips, they were black and turquoise streaked (dunno if that was happenstance or if it's part of that whole Southwest Natureboy thing, Chuck...?). I could not make myself like the turquoise, so I dyed them all black. I find that the dye penetrates G10 about .005, so it's pretty durable except for major gouges. Anyway, the turquoise streaks were maybe 20% to start so these should stay black over the long haul, no problem.

Steve, thanks for more great pics, and guys, thanks for the compliments on the work. Chuck, thanks for the challenge!

PS, Steve, thanks again for dubbing this the "Ched" gun and not the "Nuck" gun :lol:


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Awesome as one would expect from the two makers. Please advise what the finish is (black parkerize?).

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That gun looks awesome! The golf ball treatment is just incredible. The grips match it so perfectly too! The top of the slide is also done awesome too.

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All hail thy Chedlihood!

Chuck and Ned, you guys have really outdone yourselves with that fantastic creation. What an incredible blending of styles and craftsmanship into a cohesive, one of a kind custom blaster :D

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Ned & Chuck, you guys really did a nice job with this one.

While picking up one of my projects from Ned I saw this gun after Chuck had done the Frame work and Ned had jusr recieved it and had not started the slide work yet.

Needless to say, Ned did a great job finishing the top half.

When I held the frame in Ned's shop it felt great. Both the golf ball texture and the overall dehorning of the frame made it just blend right to the hand.

Whoever gets this one will really be lucky, by the way how is this one being sold? :twisted:

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If someone would have explained it to me, without naming the two builders, I would have been a bit skeptical, if not standoffish. However, with these two, you can't go wrong. The work is so much more than the finished product. Some exceptional metalwork, as per usual, gentlemen.

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 Post subject: Ned shop
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After being at Ned's shop a couple of times it amazes me he can do anything except run into himself.

Gods honest truth it is probably 16 to 18 foot long but no more than 8 foot wide. Now put in a mill machine and a big gun safe and all the other necessary tools and implements of destruction and it is amazing. If I was up to it I would help the poor guy build himself a real shop.

Matter of fact Ted and the boys from Arizona need a break come up and build poor old Ned a shop he deserves it. :lol: :wink: :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Ned shop
PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:45 pm 
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After being at Ned's shop a couple of times it amazes me he can do anything except run into himself.

Gods honest truth it is probably 16 to 18 foot long but no more than 8 foot wide. Now put in a mill machine and a big gun safe and all the other necessary tools and implements of destruction and it is amazing. If I was up to it I would help the poor guy build himself a real shop.

Matter of fact Ted and the boys from Arizona need a break come up and build poor old Ned a shop he deserves it. :lol: :wink: :wink:

Gary
It is pretty small, I think he does it on purpose so that no one can sneak up on him :P .

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Wow, awsome work guys! I keep finding more and more details each time I look at the photos. What does one dye G10 with anyway? I didn't think anything would penetrate it, even .005.

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That is truly an extraordinary collaboration. :shock:
It is this skill and dedication and goodness that is so inspiring to me.

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The finish is matte blue by the able hands at YoBo.

I dyed the grips with the same stuff you make tie-dyed T-shirts with, good ol' Rit dye. Mix it real rich and boil like a MoFo. Helps if you have a black kitchen (which I now do :shock: ). No worries about it rubbing off on that perfectly pressed and starched button-down collar white shirt, either.

As to the size of my shop, I thought I explained this to you Gary, the alien death-bots are cowardly machines that only attack from behind. No space behind you, no alien death-bots. It's working sofar......


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another well done pistol. the craftsmanship show in these photos is absolutely awesome.


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[quote="Ned Christiansen"]The finish is matte blue by the able hands at YoBo.

I dyed the grips with the same stuff you make tie-dyed T-shirts with, good ol' Rit dye. quote]

Ned the DeadHead :wink: .

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I mean, those grips are like, wow, man!


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Ned the DeadHead :wink: .
Nah, I picture Ned layin' on the floor, stereo blastin' to the tune of "Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention, ""Going to Montana, Gunna Grow Some Dental Floss""...................in bell bottoms and tie-died t-shirt and birkenstocks.
:lol: :)

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...Ned layin' on the floor, stereo blastin' to the tune of "Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention, ""Going to Montana, Gunna Grow Some Dental Floss""....... :)
:lol: HAR!! I'll never forget the first time I saw Frank Zappa, playin' the bicycle on the Ed Sullivan Show. Did I just date myself?.... :oops:


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Ned the DeadHead :wink: .
Nah, I picture Ned layin' on the floor, stereo blastin' to the tune of "Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention, ""Going to Montana, Gunna Grow Some Dental Floss""...................in bell bottoms and tie-died t-shirt and birkenstocks.
:lol: :)
Al you may be onto something. Ned Does have a toilet with a guitar sticking out of it. Knowing Ned I just never thought anything about it!!!!!

( You young guys won't understand the toilet thing!! You kinda had to live in that time period)

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Hey, I'm young, I'm young, I don't understand the guitar in the toilet thing! I did go through a short Zappa phase though, and..... is it an album cover?


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C'mon guy's. Birkenstocks didn't catch on till the 80's, and Frank Zappa didn't need a toilet..... :mrgreen:


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Hey, I'm young, I'm young, I don't understand the guitar in the toilet thing! I did go through a short Zappa phase though, and..... is it an album cover?
There wan't really a guitar in the toilet though just Frank sitting on one. Can't remember which album it was though. Come on old deadheads help me out.

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The guy only cut about 500,000 albums and I don't remember the album but here's the pic.
http://www.fototime.com/D60786F4836FCEF/standard.jpg


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